Comments on: What was God thinking!?

By: BRIAN

BRIAN — Fri, 06 Aug 2010 06:42:11 +0000

Thanks so much Andre I found your insight and the article really helpful in thinking about this. So glad and ministered to by what God has revealed to you, I am presently coming out of old paradigms feels strange but wonderful and I believe that God has really given you something of the child like wonder that is so much missing today, as an artist I resonate so deeply with that. Thanks so much again.

By: Andre Rabe

Andre Rabe — Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:40:22 +0000

Brian – such a big question.
Jesus once made this demand: “Love your enemies”. It seems so unfair, almost impossible! Obviously there is nothing lovable about deliberate acts of hatred. So how can He make such a demand? I believe the only way is to see beyond the acts of enmity, to see that such deeds are a perversion of the real person – not their true selves.

George MacDonald wrote a piece that I found inspiring – you can read it here: http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/12/27/george-macdonald-in-arundel/

The following is a quote from that piece:
I call to the divine in thee, which is mine, not to rebuke thee, not to rouse thee, not to say “Why hatest thou me?” but to say “I love thee; in God’s name I love thee.” And I will wait until the true self looks out of thine eyes, and knows the true self in me.

A little while ago I started writing about the logic of God’s love – I haven’t published anything yet, but will soon. Hopefully that will provide a bit more insight.

By: Brian

Brian — Thu, 05 Aug 2010 09:45:16 +0000

Thanks Andre Ive been listening to your teachings and also those of Francois for a couple of weeks or so and have been so uplifted, I guess the question I am trying to get at is was God rejoicing in Hitler because of the cross even when he was murdering the Jews, where does the grief, and pain of God come in for the suffering of the people? Can you somehow help me to connect the lavish grace and joy of God for Hitler with the deep grief it must have caused God who is not indifferent the suffering of the people. Again I say I just need help to have some more clarity on that. By the way thanks again for the message you are bringing, I resonate deeply with it and know to the the core of my being it is true but just need some clarification concerning questions like this. Thanks

By: Andre Rabe

Andre Rabe — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 16:14:02 +0000

Hi Brian.

If our deeds was the basis for God’s love, none of us would qualify. But it was while we were enemies, that God succeeded in reconciling the world to Himself in Christ – not counting men’s sins against them ( 2 Cor 5:19 ) So yes, His love is first of all based on His own purpose & decision to love what He created, and secondly based upon the fact that every obstacle to this love was removed in Christ.
2 Tim 1:9 says it so well:
“God, who has saved us and called us with a holy calling,
not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace,
which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
This has now been made evident
through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who has abolished death
and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.”

So to get back to your question directly: What we know of Hitler is based on his deeds – God knows something more. God has a more valid reference, based on an event even more significant than the second world war – the life, death and resurrection of Christ.

Obviously the benefit of what God did for us is only experienced when we respond in faith.

I hope I understood your question correctly – let me know.

Andre

By: BRIAN

BRIAN — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 01:04:57 +0000

Does that mean that God has accepted and smiles upon people like Hitler because they are in His son, please could you help me to understand….

By: Jeanne

Jeanne — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:07:17 +0000

Theo jr, please share more. Or how can one access more on those thoughts.

By: Tim

Tim — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:03:29 +0000

Hi, I agree with you pertaining almost everything you say about God and His “thoughts” before the creation of the universe. However, when you add the dilemma of the angels also failing to live in a way the was pleasing to the creator, I believe any thoughts of creation must also take this into the plan God (Logos) had in creating man. Since God new man would fail, He must have also realized why it would be that they would fail; namely the Serpent. And through all the history of man from Adam, the Serpent played a major role in swaying man from making a decision he may not have made without the Accuser’s false information always at play around us. Going back to the topic of “angels” (messengers), they were probably called something else when their period of history existed before the fall, and I believe their civilization also lasted much longer than the civilization of man since Satan (possibly called Lucifer) was highest in authority (High Priest) of God over that civilization. Pride entered into his heart and from there it was all down hill. A war began between those who were still loyal to God and those who disloyal.
In your opinion, did Logos plan the civilization of “angels” from the end to the beginning when He first created them without any thought of man ever being created or did he know the angels would fall and knew man would fall and so His planning took both civilizations into account?
Also, since the “angels” fell, did God also have a plan of salvation for those who did not revolt against him? By the one sin Adam fell and all after him. When Satan (Lucifer?) fell from grace by pride, was his sin also passed on to all other “angels” just as Adams sin was passed onto all man? Did Jesus’ death give salvation to the “angels” and man or was there salvation given to the angels who did not follow in the way of pride at some other time in history before man was created.
As I said, I agree on just about everything you said in your article “What was God Thinking?” but there are so many additional variables we cannot ever hope to comprehend, it is hard to say for sure anything about why God created us except to love us and we in return to worship Him for the reasons you gave.

By: Roddy

Roddy — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:33:12 +0000

Hi Andre,
Re :recent article on the Logos .Some thoughts to share in relation to the love of God . For sometime my prayer life has been reduced to a longing with-in my heart to know and be brought by the the Spirit into the ultimate issues of Gods heart.I have found myself many times saying to the Lord let me see what it was that John saw in you , what Mary Magdelene saw in you , what Paul saw in you that made them love you so much.These yearnings almost intensified to the extent that found myself often begging the Lord in prayer to show me what it is in the Father He sees that causes him to love him so much and asking the Father to show me what it is in his Son that causes Him to love him so much.As i began to make these daring requests i began to wait , watch and listen not knowing that he had put these longings in my spirit.I now know these innate longings are organic and native to every child of God The Holy Spirit has a work to do to find the lost child in us and bring him consciuosly into this intimate union.My holy quest was expressed in my desire to know what they know , see what they see and feel what they feel.There is much i could say about this journey but i just wanted to touch upon an aspect of the love of God that has taken my breath away in its beauty and awe . Much of my communion with the Lord lately has been beholding the zeal and fire of his passion for his beloved spouse . This consuming passion is seen in the cross and has completely altered my negative/distorted perception of the judgement of God . The judgement of God to behold is a vision of sheer beauty as it has behind it the consuming passion of Gods love to remove every hindrance to him bringing his church into an intimate bridal relationship with him.The Lord is releasing into the body of christ in these last days a revelation of her bridal relationship which will characterize her more than anythingelse in this age.The church in various localities around the world will be a testimony to principalities and powers and to this world of a corprate expression of a love affair between bridegroom Jesus christ and his bride.However i see that a new understanding of the judgement of God must be embraced in the hearts of Gods. For many of the Lords people have not seen the zeal of Gods love to own and possess them as his own . I see in the zeal of His love a burning desire to have no rival to it in the secret place of our hearts. There is a hidden work of preparation on inside of us towards this end . The vision that brother Willem had will i believe become the vision that captivates our hearts as his bride is passion of Gods heart and the focus of all his intentions.

By: Dawie

Dawie — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:16:55 +0000

Hi
Read some powerful stuff in one of Gene Edwards’ latest books: “The day I was Crucified” as told by Jesus Christ… he’s seeing the same diamond from another view, beautiful, tapped into the heart of God. I’ll post some quotes soon…

By: Francois du Toit

Francois du Toit — Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:13:12 +0000

beautiful stuff Roddy!! we know that the son of God has come and has given us understanding to know Him who is true
and we are in Him who is true! 1John 5:20