Comments on: Back to the beginning http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/ Today, when you hear His voice, listen ... Heb 4 Sun, 20 May 2012 16:09:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: gredaadt http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-60 gredaadt Sat, 04 Nov 2006 02:29:19 +0000 http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/#comment-60 What makes this point so interesting is that even Paul said that we could follow him as he followed Christ. But I don't think that means what we've made it out to be. In today's world, we follow our christian pop icons. Of course, they followed their Christian pop icons (and they followed theirs, and so on, and so on). With all these generations following their favorite preacher/teacher's opinion of God (instead of God Himself), we've gotten the same effect of a cassette tape that has been duplicated many times over. A 4th or 5th generation recording on cassette kinda sounds like the original, but it's not nearly as clear, or as easy to hear. That's what we've done with God, by putting our faith in man's doctrine/teaching/philosophies. What makes this point so interesting is that even Paul said that we could follow him as he followed Christ. But I don’t think that means what we’ve made it out to be.

In today’s world, we follow our christian pop icons. Of course, they followed their Christian pop icons (and they followed theirs, and so on, and so on).

With all these generations following their favorite preacher/teacher’s opinion of God (instead of God Himself), we’ve gotten the same effect of a cassette tape that has been duplicated many times over. A 4th or 5th generation recording on cassette kinda sounds like the original, but it’s not nearly as clear, or as easy to hear.

That’s what we’ve done with God, by putting our faith in man’s doctrine/teaching/philosophies.

]]> By: Andre Rabe http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-59 Andre Rabe Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:45:30 +0000 http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/#comment-59 Hi Bob, Absolutely agree. His justice does not demand anything that His mercy does not want to give. Hopefully my next article will make this clear, as it will focus on the fact that God is love. Hi Bob,
Absolutely agree. His justice does not demand anything that His mercy does not want to give. Hopefully my next article will make this clear, as it will focus on the fact that God is love.

]]> By: Kansas Bob http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-58 Kansas Bob Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:36:41 +0000 http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/#comment-58 I don't think that mercy and justice are conflicting ideas. The cross is a picture of both. I don’t think that mercy and justice are conflicting ideas. The cross is a picture of both.

]]> By: Cliff http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-57 Cliff Fri, 03 Nov 2006 08:16:08 +0000 http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/#comment-57 I amso glad SteveW pointed the way to this site. It is so exciting to see more and more people who are defending the true Gospel of Love. Peace, Cliff I amso glad SteveW pointed the way to this site. It is so exciting to see more and more people who are defending the true Gospel of Love.

Peace,

Cliff

]]> By: Don R. http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-55 Don R. Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:45:03 +0000 http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/#comment-55 Wonderful post, Andre. Thank you for bringing light and life to His wonderful message of grace for all. I will look forward to your next installment. Wonderful post, Andre. Thank you for bringing light and life to His wonderful message of grace for all. I will look forward to your next installment.

]]> By: Andre Rabe http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-54 Andre Rabe Wed, 01 Nov 2006 17:31:04 +0000 http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/#comment-54 Hi Steve, Thanks for your wonderful thoughts. It made me think of 1 John 3:2 : ... What we know is that when Christ is openly revealed, we'll see him--and in seeing him, become like him ... Our transformation is 100% linked to our seeing And 2 Corinthians 3:18 ... Nothing between us and God, our faces shining with the brightness of his face. And so we are transfigured much like the Messiah, our lives gradually becoming brighter and more beautiful as God enters our lives and we become like him. Thanks Steve Andre Hi Steve,
Thanks for your wonderful thoughts. It made me think of 1 John 3:2 :
… What we know is that when Christ is openly revealed, we’ll see him–and in seeing him, become like him …

Our transformation is 100% linked to our seeing

And
2 Corinthians 3:18 … Nothing between us and God, our faces shining with the brightness of his face. And so we are transfigured much like the Messiah, our lives gradually becoming brighter and more beautiful as God enters our lives and we become like him.

Thanks Steve

Andre

]]> By: TableServer » Who’s your “daddy” http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-53 TableServer » Who’s your “daddy” Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:08:23 +0000 http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/#comment-53 [...] Read here. [...] [...] Read here. [...]

]]> By: SteveW http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-52 SteveW Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:56:03 +0000 http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/#comment-52 The things that people do are generally a reflection of the “god” that they see and serve. Those who see their god as angry, vengeful & full of wrath will treat people in that way. Those who see Him as loving, peaceful and full of mercy will also treat those with whom they come in contact in such a way. We become like the god we see. As people behold Him, as He really is, and not as they have been taught, they will be changed into His likeness. It is my heart felt belief that God wishes to fill the earth, replenish it, with people who, like Christ, are full of grace and truth. We are to be as trees of life offering healing to the people of the world, not threats and condemnation. There can be only one root for the lives of those offering healing. As Isaiah boldly proclaimed…. For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him. He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted. But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed. All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him. (Isa 53:2-6) This is the God I see. One who, even though we have all gone astray, still loved us enough to take our iniquity upon Himself and to reconcile us to Himself. As I behold Him He is changing me for the better, much better than religion ever did. My life is no longer about being right, it is now about loving those around me, regardless of who they are or what they believe, just as He loves me and because He did so long before the thought ever occurred to me. He began the work and He will complete it, not just in me but in us all. It began before the foundation of the world and it found it’s fullness in the cross. We have been given the privilege of proclaiming this love of God to mankind, knowing that He will bring it to it’s promised completion in the ultimate manifestation of this Kingdom. The Earth is full of His glory. Oh that men would remove their religious blinders long enough to behold Him as He is and be changed to manifest only grace and peace. The things that people do are generally a reflection of the “god” that they see and serve. Those who see their god as angry, vengeful & full of wrath will treat people in that way. Those who see Him as loving, peaceful and full of mercy will also treat those with whom they come in contact in such a way.

We become like the god we see.

As people behold Him, as He really is, and not as they have been taught, they will be changed into His likeness.

It is my heart felt belief that God wishes to fill the earth, replenish it, with people who, like Christ, are full of grace and truth. We are to be as trees of life offering healing to the people of the world, not threats and condemnation. There can be only one root for the lives of those offering healing.

As Isaiah boldly proclaimed….

For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him. He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted. But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed. All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him. (Isa 53:2-6)

This is the God I see. One who, even though we have all gone astray, still loved us enough to take our iniquity upon Himself and to reconcile us to Himself. As I behold Him He is changing me for the better, much better than religion ever did.

My life is no longer about being right, it is now about loving those around me, regardless of who they are or what they believe, just as He loves me and because He did so long before the thought ever occurred to me. He began the work and He will complete it, not just in me but in us all. It began before the foundation of the world and it found it’s fullness in the cross. We have been given the privilege of proclaiming this love of God to mankind, knowing that He will bring it to it’s promised completion in the ultimate manifestation of this Kingdom.

The Earth is full of His glory. Oh that men would remove their religious blinders long enough to behold Him as He is and be changed to manifest only grace and peace.

]]> By: Andre Rabe http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-51 Andre Rabe Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:16:07 +0000 http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/#comment-51 Hi Dawie, Thanks for your comment. It's never easy to confront our most basic assumptions - I've avoided some subjects for so long, probably because I knew deep within that it meant fundamental change within myself. For me it's not just a change in theory, but my whole way of relating to people - all people - is challenged and changed by a deeper understanding of God. We've got to get together some time! What are you up to lately? Mary-Anne hopes to visit Francois & Lydia this year still. Andre Hi Dawie, Thanks for your comment.
It’s never easy to confront our most basic assumptions – I’ve avoided some subjects for so long, probably because I knew deep within that it meant fundamental change within myself. For me it’s not just a change in theory, but my whole way of relating to people – all people – is challenged and changed by a deeper understanding of God.

We’ve got to get together some time! What are you up to lately? Mary-Anne hopes to visit Francois & Lydia this year still.

Andre

]]> By: Dawie http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-50 Dawie Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:24:24 +0000 http://hearhim.net/wordpress/2006/10/30/back-to-the-beginning/#comment-50 Hey, brilliant! At first I thought, Andre, watch-it.... normally its best to just continue preaching and teaching the truth in love and if anyone disagrees, ignore, love and pray, and carry-on... let the Holy Spirit and the Word do its work.... rather than cause personal offense which looses a friend. Though I felt (especially at the end of your message) that the Lord was in this one. Was very informative, never knew that Calvin and Augustine was involved in these ways. When I think back on how I myself resisted things I later was convicted about - and till today know beyond any doubt is true - it humbles me to retain a soft heart which is the best way to discern. We are made in God's image and likeness - His Being reflects in our own when we enter the love-making business we were designed for. 1Jo 4:7 Dear friends, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Whoever loves is a child of God and knows God. 1Jo 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, for God is love. Dawie (Stellenbosch, RSA) Hey, brilliant!

At first I thought, Andre, watch-it…. normally its best to just continue preaching and teaching the truth in love and if anyone disagrees, ignore, love and pray, and carry-on… let the Holy Spirit and the Word do its work…. rather than cause personal offense which looses a friend. Though I felt (especially at the end of your message) that the Lord was in this one. Was very informative, never knew that Calvin and Augustine was involved in these ways. When I think back on how I myself resisted things I later was convicted about – and till today know beyond any doubt is true – it humbles me to retain a soft heart which is the best way to discern. We are made in God’s image and likeness – His Being reflects in our own when we enter the love-making business we were designed for.

1Jo 4:7 Dear friends, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Whoever loves is a child of God and knows God.
1Jo 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, for God is love.

Dawie (Stellenbosch, RSA)

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